The number of women working in logistics is extremely low. There are also very few female applicants for the industry’s basic training. But why is this? Do prejudices exist? We asked our two female logistics specialists, Fulya Aytar-Oksay and Alischa Deflorin, about this, along with Mischa Finger, Operations and Production Manager at our Villmergen branch.

Fulya and Alischa have a lot in common. Both had to interrupt their schooling for various reasons and both worked as temporary packaging employees in our Villmergen branch, which is where they met. From that moment, they become great friends, sharing the same goal: to complete their apprenticeship.

Alischa

Order Picking Team Leader at our Villmergen branch

«Due to our enormous dedication as temporary staff, we quickly earned Mischa’s trust and she rewarded us with the opportunity to complete a Federal VET logistics specialist apprenticeship. Thanks, Mischa!»

Fulya

Packaging Department Manager at our Villmergen branch

«I knew nothing about logistics, but thanks to Alischa I decided to take the plunge and realised that I was well-suited to this apprenticeship. It was our last chance and we’re very grateful to Mischa!»

Mischa

Operations and Production Manager at our Villmergen branch

«Their youth was the decisive factor. They both had a positive drive and I saw potential in both of them. I was also motivated by the risk that laziness might get the better of them and they would lose the will to complete an apprenticeship.»

Why do you think the number of women working in logistics (warehouse specialists) is so low?
Alischa

«Logistics is still a male domain in terms of management positions, so female specialists have very few role models. In addition, logistics work is frequently associated with heavy physical labour, which is why many women lack the confidence to do these jobs.»


«We all help each other, both men and women alike.»

The logistics sector sometimes involves heavy work. How do you deal with this, what are the prejudices and what is your experience of this?
Fulya

«Prejudices include that women cannot drive forklifts, that the work is far too difficult for them, or that they are not assertive enough with men or are too emotional in stressful situations. In my experience, there are also lots of men who find heavy work equally difficult, because not all men are big and well-built. That’s why teamwork is very important. We all help each other, both men and women alike. There are both male and female managers here and I don’t see any difference. I believe that character is more important than gender.»


«Durch unsere hohe Einsatzbereitschaft als temporäre Mitarbeiterinnen hat uns Mischa sehr schnell Vertrauen entgegengebracht.»

How do you think we can encourage more women to complete logistics apprenticeships?
Mischa

«That’s a very good question. I’m pleased to see that more and more women are working in both logistics and transport. In general, we still give too much weight to what defines a male or female job. It’s important for us to tell the outside world that women are very welcome in this profession and there are great career opportunities. The logistics profession still has an outdated image. Much has happened in this sector in recent years. There are now so many opportunities following in-depth basic training.»


Alischa and Fulya, you’re proof that there are great career opportunities. What are you doing now that you’ve completed your apprenticeships at Planzer and what are your goals?
Fulya

«Since completing my apprenticeship in 2019, I’ve been working as Packaging Department Manager. My goal is to constantly develop and learn new things. Planzer has plenty of opportunities if you’re willing to embrace them.»

Alischa

«I’ve been an Order Picking Team Leader for two years now. This new challenge motivated me to start a Logistics Specialist training course which I’m due to finish this May. My goal is to constantly develop. It’s important to recognise your weaknesses and turn these into strengths.»


We’d now like to hear what you think about your logistics apprenticeship at Planzer. What are the benefits of an apprenticeship with us?
Fulya

«Varied work, as well as support for apprentices who are willing to learn and develop. You can learn a lot from long-serving employees and their experience. Most people appreciate the work you do and don’t regard it as cheap labour.»

Alischa

«I like the varied apprentice programme, because you can gain experience in different departments during your apprenticeship and receive encouragement and support provided you work hard. A good apprentice wage completes the apprenticeship, along with seminars and excursions.»


Everyone’s talking about the buzz word, Generation Z. You’re still young – what do you think about this generation?
Alischa

«I suspect that in the past every generation worried about the next generation, such as the youth movement in the 1960s, for example. Many people are unsettled by the social upheaval triggered by these movements. Humans are creatures of habit. Of course, social media also has a major impact on how young people think and act, as does the emergence of crypto currencies and the belief in easy money. But I think Generation Z is merely taking advantage of the available means and using these with a great deal of creativity.»


How did you motivate one another during your apprenticeship?
Both

«We challenged each other during our apprenticeship: who could pick more items? Who could unload the container faster? This wasn’t just efficient, it was also great fun!»


What advice do you have for our trainers when dealing with our apprentices?
Fulya

«When you’re busy and stressed, it’s difficult to respond to apprentices. Nevertheless, it’s important not to immediately dismiss apprentices, but to communicate with them and tell them you’ll be in contact later. And ensure that you do this. Not all apprentices are the same. Some are able to think on their feet, others prefer to work more slowly, but more precisely. Wherever circumstances allow, trainers should be more understanding, as everyone has started from scratch and knows that it takes time to learn tasks. »

Alischa

«I agree with Fulya. Apprentices are often criticised for working slowly or making mistakes. This doesn’t make much sense to me, as you can’t expect the same level of productivity from apprentices as from employees who’ve been doing the job for a number of years. In addition, apprentices will be much more motivated if you show them where their strengths lie. However, mistakes should not be ignored. When apprentices make mistakes, turn these into a learning opportunity.»


In your extensive experience, what’s important when supporting apprentices?
Mischa

«I’ve been training apprentices for over 20 years. Half of that time for commercial roles and now in logistics. The training itself has not changed. But there have been many new challenges. Topics such as mental health now play a much bigger role. The balancing act between being a straightforward manager and a confidante is becoming harder. Apprentices have to be included in discussions much more. Ultimately, it’s always exciting to see how apprentices develop from school-leavers into fantastic adults within three years. Within the Planzer family in particular, where the journey doesn’t end after an apprenticeship, former apprentices can continue to develop and achieve a great deal here, provided they have the desire and the ability. Many thanks for doing this interview.»


A call to all women:

«Go for it!» Although logistics may not be an instantly appealing profession, it offers great opportunities! It is a profession with future prospects and is gaining importance. The Planzer Group welcomes female candidates in all professions.

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